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What if the original roleplaying game was inspired by colorful superheroes rather than Tolkienesque fantasy?

GUARDIANS is a super hero retro-clone compatible with the original fantasy roleplaying game and subsequent editions, and other “OSR” games that follow in the mould of the original game like Colonial Troopers, Warriors of the Red Planet, and others. If your tastes run towards super-powered four-color heroes and villains you’ve found the right book. In a tradition inspired by the psionic abilities of Eldritch Wizardry and the mutants of Metamorphosis Alpha or Gamma World, even a first level Guardians character begins with mighty powers!


 
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Andrew G November 19, 2019 2:47 am UTC
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I love this game, it’s got a cleanses that’s reminds me of 1st edition Champions and has become my go-to superhero game. That being said there’s some thing that look wrong or I can’t find. Super characteristic ( particularly super Str) seems unbalanced, I wound up writing a new attribute bonus table for my game that seemed work. After a year of play I’ve got no idea what Computer Mind, Robot, Body or Undead actually do. Teleport has all kinds of issues and some powers I thought should be features (ftl for example). Usually I manage to get slightly more complex by adding features for regular stunts or power matrixes (similar to champions multi power). Bottom line is it’s a game with good bones and concepts, just needs a little GgM tweaking to fit individual games
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November 16, 2019 6:54 pm UTC
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I have been looking through the book again after a long time, and noticed some inconsistencies that annoy me.

For one, the book lists two different attack progressions for npcs. I don't know which I should use. This is my most nagging issue.

Also, the book mentions that you can use descending armor class, and even tells you how to convert ascending AC into descending AC. However, it makes no mention on how to convert attack bonuses into thaco. Also, the instructions for how to roll attacks with descending armor class make no sense. Of course, its not that hard to figure out how to convert everything to thaco, but if I were to do that, that would result in some classes having a thaco a bit lower than your standard white box character. This, I think, could create small compatibility issues with monsters taken from other games.

Moving on, some of the pre-made characters in the back have powers that aren't actually listed anywhere else in the book. Also, some of the stats for...See more
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Thomas D November 19, 2019 1:07 am UTC
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The transition from playtest to writing to publication definitely introduces lots of nagging issues that require a lot of careful editing. Especially with a game like this that has such a carefully constructed system. I'll look into these issues when I get a chance to update the game.
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Andrew W April 04, 2019 7:51 pm UTC
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I'm really confused by this paragrpah on ability bonuses...

Each ability has a Basic Ability Modifier (BAM) according to the chart below.
The Carry column shows how much weight a given Strength can carry
without encumbrance. Very high strength characters can further improve
their damage capabilities in hand-to-hand melee combat (but not their to-hit
roll). These add a number of extra dice of the type they normally roll for the
weapon or unarmed attack to the damage, over and above the Basic Ability
Modifier. Thus, someone with Str 35 (+8/+3d) with a 1d6 melee attack would
actually do 4d6+8 damage.

Does this mean the BAM is not added to the attack roll after a certain point? (which would make sense, as it seems way to powerful as is.) if so, where is the cut off?
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Steve D April 05, 2019 11:02 pm UTC
I believe it is referring to the dice listed on the chart don't add to your Strength BAM, but they do add to your damage.

In my opinion, super strength is broken in this game. In the comments below, I've listed a couple of suggestions.
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Andrew W April 03, 2019 6:41 pm UTC
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Could someone answer a few quick questions about this game?

1. How flexible is the power system? Is there any kind of stunt ability?
2. How does the game handle things like vehicles and vehicle combat?
3. How does movement work? Is there any way to use minis and a battlemat with this game? Either grid based, or even just Fate style zones or something?
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Steve D April 05, 2019 10:49 pm UTC
The powers are specific rather than general. There are no rules for stunting. However, it would be easy to change the trappings/special effects.
Vehicles are defined by their AC, HPs, movement, and passenger capacity. In combat, they function just like characters. There are no specific vehicle rules for combat.
Movement and ranges are given in feet. There are no particular rules for grid based movement; however, they should be easy to add to your game.
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January 13, 2019 9:50 pm UTC
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This game definitely looks interesting, but the book has contradictions in it, particularly when it comes to weapon and armor proficiencies. The description in the armor section contradicts all of the class descriptions of which armor and weapons they may use. Its like the book is describing two completely different systems. I'm going to be trying to run this game next week, and I have no clue which system is right.
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John K May 04, 2018 6:37 am UTC
The problem with Superhero games has always been balancing damage and healing. I certainly don't see how the healing rules help this.

"Damage may be “healed” after any combat with 1 turn of rest and first aid.
The amount healed is 1d4 hit points: this amount cannot exceed the amount
of damage incurred in the combat immediately preceding the rest, and will
not heal damage incurred in earlier combats. Double this if the attending
character has a Medical Background gift.
A character able to get eight hours of rest “in the rough” heals 1d3 points
of damage after the rest. Characters able to get 24 hours of rest in a
comfortable location (home, motel, HQ, etc) will recover 1d3 points plus 1 hit
point per character level. A full week of full rest heals all hit point damage."
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Thomas D June 13, 2019 4:48 am UTC
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I think this almost perfectly emulates Silver Age comics. Heck, it's pretty much like all the superhero movies being made these days!
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Ryan D March 15, 2018 5:34 am UTC
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Has the Guardians book been updated for errata or clarifications mentioned in the other discussions here? I would love to buy a print copy, but I don’t want to buy one only to have it updated shortly thereafter.
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Thomas D November 20, 2018 6:08 am UTC
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It's been updated and there are no plans to revise this edition further.
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Gabriel H January 10, 2018 6:24 pm UTC
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Psychic Weapon (p.41) has no damage listed. So is this an omission or is damage dependent on which type of weapon you manifest (sword versus dagger, for example)? I don't understand why it would be latter because it is massless psychic energy and also because Charisma bonus is added to the weapon's damage instead of Strength bonus.
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mark M September 15, 2017 11:04 pm UTC
awesome, i will by it later, good review, i am surprised yo never played mayfair dc system, which is my favorite. If you play it with your grandson, see if you can read Godsend agenda, godsend agenda has the best sperhero backgrond I have ever seen and I think that the background wold go well with this system.
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Glen H April 20, 2017 1:17 pm UTC
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No character sheet?
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Thomas D June 25, 2017 11:53 pm UTC
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Free character sheets at the Night Owl Workshop website: http://www.nightowlworkshop.com/p/free-stuff.html
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David B November 23, 2016 2:26 pm UTC
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Cool game. Worth picking up for OSR retroclone collectors.

Here's a review I did on youtube of the POD version:

https://youtu.be/jh_SlUvMQIQ
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Steve D October 05, 2016 1:24 am UTC
I like the game and will have to pick the pdf at some point.

On page 84, it says, "Fighters may utilize the two following special abilities." The next entry lists Combat Specialty but there is no second ability. What is the second ability?
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Thomas D October 31, 2016 5:36 pm UTC
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That could be worded a bit more clearly. The second ability is included in the next entry. The two special abilities are +1 to hit AND +1 to damage (choose either Melee or Ranged at character creation).
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Steve D October 31, 2016 7:50 pm UTC
Okay, that makes more sense. It would probably clearer if the "Fighters may utilize the two following special abilities" line was removed.
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June 03, 2016 2:52 am UTC
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I had a question about character creation for a gadgeteer. I have a human gadgeteer with a +3 BAM (19 INT with paragon) to INT and I used four of the five gifts for more gadget points, leaving me with a total of ten to spend. I use the first nine to build a battle suit and then notice the super attribute power. If I use this to make a gadget increasing my intelligence x2 it increases my BAM to 13. Can I use these new BAM points to create more starting gadgets or am I finished, having used up the original 10?
Question aside, I am enjoying guardians quite a bit.
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Steve D November 24, 2016 4:01 pm UTC
In the interests of balance, I'd ignore super INT BAM for this purpose just use the base INT BAM value.

As an aside, the extra gadgets be self limiting. Many powers require energy points, so the more powers the less energy points available. However, a gadget is a power and a power could be three features and a feature can be 1 energy point. Something to consider...
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November 25, 2016 6:35 am UTC
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Ok, that makes sense.
Thanks for the response!
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Andrew G April 25, 2016 1:19 pm UTC
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I may be going slightly insane but I noticed a lot of the sample characters had the Paragon gift which doesn't appear in the rules?
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Thomas D May 16, 2016 4:48 am UTC
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Paragon is on page 18, it is 33-40 on the Gift table: "Paragon (+1 to every ability score)"
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Austin L April 21, 2016 11:19 pm UTC
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Am I reading this wrong? Apparently starting with a 17 in Str and then taking Superior Super Strength lets you deal 14dX+19 damage at level 1? That's... really really high, especially since most other damaging powers cap out at 8 dice period.
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Steve D November 24, 2016 3:46 pm UTC
The damage from super strength is not in the same realm as the other powers. I have a couple of suggestions.

Drop the strength damage progression and just add Strength BAM to melee attack damage. This provides a simple consistent damage adder. I'd also add the damage to thrown attacks as well. In addition, you don't have to use your precious energy points to fuel your super strength attacks.

Alternatively, drop the strength damage progression and use the same progression for other attacks: 4d6 super, 6d6 superior, and 8d6 ultimate. It should cost 1 EP to activate this damage just like other similar damaging powers. To this damage, you also add your hand-to-hand/weapon damage die/dice. With this house rule, I wouldn't allow Strength BAM to add to damage.
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Andrew W April 06, 2019 1:31 am UTC
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What about to-hit rolls? The BAM modifiers pretty quickly make it impossible for a super strong chracter to miss in HTH combat. The AC and DR numbers don't scale anywhere near as much.
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Steve D April 06, 2019 5:06 am UTC
I would house rule Super Attributes to give a fixed increase like +6 per level. This keeps BAM from totally dominating the game. With this rule, I'd also base the STR carry value on a multiple of the character's base STR say x10/x100/x1000 (super, superior, ultra).

A "normal" character with STR 17 has a BAM +2 and is unencumbered at 300 pounds.

A super character with STR 11 and Super Strength has a modified STR of 17 giving BAM +2 and is unencumbered at 1000 pounds (for STR 9-12 100 x 10). If this character spends an EP, they can inflict an additional 4D damage for the round (taken from my house rule above).

The same character with Ultra Strength (effective STR 33) has BAM +10 and is unencumbered at 100,000 pounds or 50 tons (100 x 1000). Spending an EP, they can do an extra 8D damage.
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Derek H March 12, 2016 2:32 pm UTC
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Did the Gadget Creation section get rolled into Starting Gadgets (p.48)? I want to make sure nothing is missing.

And how does the New Gadgets math work with character that have an Intelligence modifier over 10 (same page)?
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Thomas D April 13, 2016 6:07 pm UTC
PUBLISHER
Yes. What is missing is two-word subhead!
On p. 49 after the paragraph Building Gadgets for your Friends the next paragraph that begins:

"Worn Gadgets are..." should instead begin:
Gadget Creation: Worn gadgets are <etc.>

(These paragraphs contain the additional gadget creation rules that were referenced earlier)

NEW GADGETS math. We adjusted the BAM (base ability modifiers) late in the process so Guardians could accommodate a wider range of superheroes from normal human up to super-duper-man and beyond.
There are two corrections we are considering:
* change it to -5% instead of -10% per point (which captures the original spirit of the rules)
* add a parenthetical "(to a maximum -90%)

Will be posting an erratta sheet once we get more feedback, so far there hasn't been too many.
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